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welcome back everybody to disclosure

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team

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um it's great to see so many people here

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uh and I've actually switched my shows

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at the moment to Sundays and

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unfortunately Katie is unable to join me

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on Sundays so I'm going to be back on

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Wednesday with Katie and then next

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Sunday I think she may be able to join

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me but if you keep your eye on the

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channel and on our social medias you'll

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be able to keep up to date with what's

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coming up

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um and before I bring on my guest please

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um keep the live chat respectful both to

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each other and towards our guest and if

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you do have any questions please pop

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them in capital letters it gives me a

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better chance of seeing them in the live

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chat and if you wanted to support the

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channel then Super chats are open as

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well I cannot guarantee I will be able

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to answer ask every question I've got

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obviously my set list of questions and

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for but I'm really excited for this one

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we've got lots to get through so let's

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not waste any more time and welcome my

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guest John Ramirez John how are you

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doing I'm doing great then thanks for

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having me Vinnie I know we have spoken

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before and I wasn't able to come on your

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show and I'm glad that I'm here now

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because we are in the pre-disclosure era

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yes so it seems and you know you've made

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this point in in the last few interviews

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that you've done and we'll we'll get to

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that in a little while but I wanted to

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start off with something that's been

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happening in the last couple of days and

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this was something that you first

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in 2021 and 2022 and we then saw a

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um through Tim McMillan at the debrief

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from Jay Stratton the former head of the

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UAP task force saying that he was not

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aware of or with no interviews with

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force she then clarified on Twitter that

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it was UAP DOD investigators that she

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had spoken to who then reported back to

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the UAP task force so I just wondered if

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you could help clear this up to some

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degree as is there a separate group

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other than UAP task force with some

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investigators looking into UAP how can

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we kind of make sense of what's been

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going on well Angela and I will be

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appearing in a podcast uh toward the end

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of this month later in May

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and we hope to clarify all of those

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questions in a way that everyone would

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understand exactly my contacts and

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anjali's contacts as well as to his

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relationships between the UAP task force

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how that mechanism actually worked back

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and so stay tuned for that okay now that

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everybody you know look out for the the

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podcast coming up where we will get the

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clarification on that but thank you John

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with the UAP test scores have you spoken

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information to reach Dr Kirkpatrick

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however I decided not to do so because

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what he knows and what information he

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than what I am able to offer and I am

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sure that he is aware of what I've said

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publicly in the public domain and I am

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information from others uh with whom I

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of that information I don't see why he

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would you know be interested in anything

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that information as well do you think he

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because he's only running under title 10

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authorities and doesn't yet have title

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as well in addition to Aviation safety

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military Pilots or the military Pilots

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of our close allies like like the RAF

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these the sentence armed services

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committee wanted to know you know do you

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job do you have the Staffing necessary

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to do your job and to your point Vinnie

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do you have the cooperation of the what

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space force that's title 10. and title

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to work every morning I fall under title

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that uh Dr Kirkpatrick has to face in

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order to get the information from where

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Air Force might be very reluctant to

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technology because you know we don't

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manufacture here on this planet

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adapted for what the Air Force wanted it

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for and as you know you people have

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Mantra whatever you want to call it

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DOD person using nomenclature because

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social media and that might not be the

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real nomenclature and a DOD person will

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literally and not offer anything of an

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there's a triangle craft somewhere and

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us about your tr3b black Mantra triangle

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craft and the dod person says there's no

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craft and in fact you know it puzzles me

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that I know there's a tr1

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which is a modification of the new two

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aircraft that's still flying since 1955

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it's still in the air and it's still

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dramatic upgrade called the TR Dash x

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with the X not being a number so is

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there a TR aircraft in the future that

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would be used as a spy plane and it may

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have some extraordinary technology on

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board well if the dod person was honest

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the uot person will say yes and is that

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a secret no because the Air Force

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released the information about the TRX

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um at one of these U.S Air Force

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Association meetings where they bring

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Air Force equities and the defense

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contractor equities together to have an

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open Symposium out in the public domain

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uh so it's no secret that there's a TRX

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but I've never heard of a tr3b or 3A or

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three yeah I've never heard of a tr2 but

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I have heard that there was something

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flying in the Aerospace domain

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that is of extraordinary technology that

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can get to places in the earth very

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quickly and have persistent coverage

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over an area of interest and not be seen

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wow so I'm not going to reveal like what

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it is because I really don't know uh but

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I have heard that such a thing the fact

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of the such a thing does exist so is

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that something the Air Force wanted

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wants to keep hidden uh probably the

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answer is yes and

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rightly so because any information about

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that capability on behalf of the US

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government and our allies like the UK we

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don't want that to be leaked to our

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adversaries at all I mean we don't want

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the Russians to know about this aircraft

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and be able to know enough about it that

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they might develop a way to detect it

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for example so that's why there's so

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much secrecy uh surrounding a lot of

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this UAP issue it's not the fact that

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something crashed from

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some other planet uh but it's the fact

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that you know it's the technology

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derived from what what crashed from that

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other planet and so any talk about that

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crack from the other planet might lead

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to what we were able to

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adapt

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as a military capability so that's what

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they're protecting now I personally

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believe that the era of secrecy about

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that should should be over it really

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should be over

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um because like if it's a planetary

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off-planet technology

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that technology belongs to humanity as a

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whole it should not belong to any

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particular government that seem to have

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acquired that technology because it

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landed on its Sovereign territory

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it should be shared with everyone

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because all the military is going to do

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is is to make a capability that's a

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weaponized capability for it well what

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about like can it solve energy problems

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you know is there a technology there

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that can help Humanity I would think

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there is technology that can help

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humanity and and for me that's

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that's

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hiding it is I wouldn't say it's a

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criminal offense it's no crimes word

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like committed in the hiding of the

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technology in fact there there are

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executive orders and U.S law U.S code

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that allows the Pentagon to have these

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types of saps that are on uh that are

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waived and unacknowledged

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um it's all written in executive orders

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and so

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but beyond that you know fine if the

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actual technology itself

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is from elsewhere and it belongs to all

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the entire planet and I'm sure like

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there's probably Russian

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uh technology like that from off world

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there are probably other countries with

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off-world technology particularly Latin

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America

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for example so that's my feeling it's

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that it should all be released to the

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world under the U.N auspices

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um for example San Marino we heard of a

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San Marino and project Titan yeah

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putting it under the UN umbrella and I

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think countries of the world will then

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after the US takes its lead

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um and doing this initial disclosure

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of that yes it's off-world technology

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that is it's non-human technology that

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we're seeing I think then uh would be

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followed by a 5i Partners uh for example

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in the UK in Australia particularly

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um that they have data and why do I

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signal out these two and not Canada and

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New Zealand um well we all have

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collection capabilities but uh we share

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a lot of collection capabilities with

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the UK and with the Australians as you

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know we work closely with um with

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Whitehall for the US audience Whitehall

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is the Pentagon of the UK it's the

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ministry of defense and we also work

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with gchq which is the general

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Communications Headquarters which is the

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UK equivalent of the NSA in Australia we

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have the Australian signals directorate

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that CIA works with closely at Pine Gap

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in out Springs Australia and so with

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those two principal Partners I'm sure

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they will have information that they

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might want to release after our lead and

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then that might open the floodgates for

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countries in Latin America particularly

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I would pay attention to Peru and Brazil

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as having information if not meta

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materials and parts of craft

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and so that's what I'm hoping for will

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happen and the post disclosure world so

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you might need to like change the title

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of your podcast

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to post disclosure

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um no I mean I think it's coming I do

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think it's coming yeah we'll get to that

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again in a minute but just sticking with

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um both Dr Kirkpatrick but also specific

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wording when asking questions and making

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statements during the hearing when Dr

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Kirkpatrick made that statement about

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there's no evidence to suggest that

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anything of this is extraterrestrial do

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you feel that that was purposefully used

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as a word to kind of go around the the

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other possibilities that we all know

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exist whether they are terrestrial

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entities of non-human intelligence do

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you think that was planned or do you

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just think that he was using a broad

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term what he's saying is that

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he has

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photographs and videos

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and he also has testimony

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from the military side the title 10 side

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of people who have witness

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these craft whether it be Pilots or

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maybe people on the ground he may have

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some information from the U.S department

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of energy National Labs such as Los

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Alamos as an example and so just based

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on what he is able to gather that is

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the physical evidence he is able to

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gather

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um just looking at that evidence aside

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from anything else he may have access to

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that is

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um such as CIA

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Legacy

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program files

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um or those of other three-letter

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agencies aside from that just based on

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what Arrow was tasked to do from the

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time Arrow was stood up

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is there any evidence just from looking

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at pictures of metallic spheres flying

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across the MQ-9 Reaper drone camera can

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you say that that

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sphere was extraterrestrial well of

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course he came

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it's nothing that he can say that says

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yup it's extraterrestrial

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um so in a way again I say that folks in

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the dod are very very astute at

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answering just the question and offering

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no other amplifying information so

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that's what he said he said that in his

427
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opening remarks to in fact kind of

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diffuse any follow-up questions because

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there were no follow-up questions about

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what he said because if I was on the

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Senate armed services committee I would

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ask him that very question you just

433
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asked Vinnie is that is there evidence

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of these craft coming out of the ocean

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and back into the ocean for example and

436
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there's a Mexican researcher named Jaime

437
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masan who has collected a lot of videos

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00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:01,080
of these crafts going in and out of like

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00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:03,780
land masses so are they coming in and

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out of a land mass no one followed up on

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that and that would make it not

442
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extraterrestrial it would make it what

443
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:13,740
my colleague Jim simivan has been saying

444
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as Ultra terrestrial that is it's some

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phenomenon that's associated not off the

446
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planet but on the planet and maybe in

447
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the planet in our oceans is it that type

448
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of phenomenon that opens up a whole

449
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,640
other Avenue of questioning you know

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like oh I mean

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why are there in our oceans were they

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always here how long have we known that

453
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they've been here

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00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:43,440
you know that's not an area that Arrow

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00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,960
wants to get into they just want to like

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answer you know the aviation safety

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issue

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um

459
00:19:55,789 --> 00:19:52,940
sorry to interrupt but at the same time

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if Dr Kirkpatrick has had we're led to

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believe almost two dozen Witnesses come

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forward that have worked in some kind of

463
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programs whether it's Legacy programs or

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something to do with uh retrieved craft

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if he gets these reports yet he doesn't

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have title 50 authorities how is he able

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to go and verify this information it

468
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almost seems like he would hit a brick

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wall and not be able to get to that that

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information that would clarify the

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points the witnesses have made so could

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that be someone higher up

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sort of putting actually a stuff on it

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yes and that's where the Audi and I

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comes into play so dni Avril Haynes has

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managerial authority over the CIA the

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Secretary of Defense has absolutely no

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managerial authority over CIA we're

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independent CIA is independent from the

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Department of Defense however CIA is not

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independent of the odni so dni Haynes

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can compel that cooperation to happen

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and I would secondly I would say that it

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was very important that the White House

485
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took it on as well and we've heard

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reports that the National Security

487
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Council who is headed by the

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National Security advisor Jake Sullivan

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has also

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form a UAP kind of study right yeah but

491
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it's not necessarily a research group

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it's there more of a managerial kind of

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traffic cop

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that you know that any kind of like

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obstacles faced by Arrow

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um there you have the supreme authority

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00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,659
to get cooperation from anybody in the

498
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executive branch of the United States

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00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:42,659
government

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and because you know April Haynes has

501
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said before uh in other interviews

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Abrahams wants to talk to President Joe

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Biden does he just show up on her limo

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no

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her staff calls his staff and want and

506
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,059
we want to know if the president would

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be free and what time we will be free

508
00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:04,799
what give me a date and time because I

509
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:07,260
want to have 15 minutes of his time

510
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that's how abrahames gets to see the

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president but Jake Sullivan the National

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Security advisor he just walks into the

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Oval Office right and to have someone

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that can walk into the Oval Office

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who is paying attention to the AP issue

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is huge to me it spoke volumes that this

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is the one place the Executive Office of

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the President

519
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that can remove any of the stove piping

520
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,059
going on within the executive branch

521
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,120
over the UAP issue and actually break

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open any kind of

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resistance to sharing information

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because the Executive Office of the

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President in the White House can order

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00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,380
that information to be shared and your

527
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:54,960
listeners might not know that there's

528
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something called Original classification

529
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,559
Authority

530
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:00,780
the president of the United States by

531
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law is allowed to declassify anything

532
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,640
and everything

533
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,039
or to classify

534
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anything and everything goes both ways

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00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,480
and so

536
00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:15,059
it has happened in the past we used to

537
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:18,299
keep secret the fact that we had Photon

538
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,000
reconnaissance aircraft the U2 and SR-71

539
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:23,820
at one time was a deep dark secret a

540
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:26,039
black Road man

541
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:29,880
um but President Carter in a speech make

542
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,860
mention of these photo reconnaissance

543
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,900
aircraft that the United States

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00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:35,940
government had and then that very

545
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instant when he said that

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that classification was gone all of it

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was gone so it has happened in the past

548
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:46,500
and so the president can declassify

549
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anything

550
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:50,039
and some people believe that the

551
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president isn't told everything and in

552
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,039
way that is true but the president is

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00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:58,799
eligible to know everything

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00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:00,659
and many presidents

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00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,419
they have so much on their plate that as

556
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:04,799
long as they know that someone is

557
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:07,380
working the issue some of them say as

558
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,000
long as someone's working the issue I

559
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:10,799
just got to know that there is an issue

560
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,260
that somebody's working on you don't

561
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:15,720
have to give me details but somebody's

562
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:18,539
on it and that would suffice until that

563
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,580
issue comes up

564
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:23,159
in the public domain such as with the

565
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,120
balloons

566
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,580
there's an issue that a lot of people

567
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,860
associate it with uaps

568
00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:30,960
and then that came up into the public

569
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,780
domain in the public narrative in the

570
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:35,880
media narrative and the president of the

571
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:38,580
United States had to address that

572
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:41,400
so there's an issue where that came up

573
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,620
all the way up to the president I

574
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,380
believe in the post-disclosure world to

575
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:49,020
come that the next president of the

576
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:52,860
United States in uh 2024

577
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:56,340
will be elected as president-elect and

578
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,220
will take office in 2025 that the next

579
00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:01,620
president will have the opportunity to

580
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,659
be the disclosure president

581
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,240
and I have high hopes for that and so

582
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:08,700
that's part of the reason why I say that

583
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:10,980
disclosure is happening really soon now

584
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,860
because we want that conversation to be

585
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,600
part of the political discourse of the

586
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:17,700
United States so we have this crazy

587
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,000
primary system in both parties and so

588
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,700
they run candidates who uh want to be

589
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,880
president in primary races and let's see

590
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,919
who survives to the very end and we

591
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,200
should have a Democrat and a republican

592
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,120
maybe someday we'll have an independent

593
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,159
but right for now a Democrat and

594
00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:37,320
Republican and so we want that

595
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:39,980
discussion to happen in that primary

596
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:43,500
process in these various States I would

597
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,820
love to see after someone who has

598
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,279
um held an office at a very high

599
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,919
position in the executive branch under a

600
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:55,440
former president let's say and have that

601
00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:58,679
person say yes I know that

602
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,559
these craft are non-human

603
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,419
well if I was a journalist like you

604
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,340
Vinnie I would take your microphone and

605
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:08,520
place it in front of the current office

606
00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:11,460
holder of that former position and say

607
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:14,820
you know your predecessor said this and

608
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:17,460
he is in your position for a previous

609
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,760
president named the president what do

610
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,760
you know what do you know about this and

611
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,159
you know if that person says I don't

612
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:27,960
know he's going to look awfully stupid

613
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:31,080
and if he says there's nothing there you

614
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:34,620
know he's caught in a lie so that's why

615
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:37,140
I have High Hopes because once you get

616
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:39,179
people who

617
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:41,159
formerly held these extremely high

618
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:42,779
positions and I'm not talking about like

619
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:45,240
me or even Jim semivan I'm talking about

620
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:48,600
people higher up on the payroll

621
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,200
um if these people come forward

622
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,440
it would be a very difficult thing for

623
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,360
the current people holding those offices

624
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,240
to say there's nothing going on

625
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:02,880
something has to be said especially if

626
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:06,960
the non-human phrase is part of that

627
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,440
disclosure discussion it's non-human and

628
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,539
Sir what do you know or ma'am what do

629
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:15,480
you know about this non-human technology

630
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,539
that's flying in our airspace what do

631
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:19,919
you know all about that do you know

632
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:22,140
anything about that well they'll have to

633
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,820
like confess they do know something

634
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:25,919
about that and that is what's going to

635
00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:28,919
open up disclosure

636
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,900
and so that's why that's why you're

637
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:32,700
confident in in what you've been saying

638
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,159
about something's coming soon what was

639
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,220
it that kind of made you so confident in

640
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,380
this is it let's break it down if you

641
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,539
can if you can and sort of tell us what

642
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,919
you can

643
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:46,740
well as it's no secret that a lot of us

644
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,500
who were former officers in the

645
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,120
intelligence community and in the

646
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:53,220
military have been speaking about this

647
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:54,600
openly

648
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,080
and it's no secret that you know

649
00:28:01,370 --> 00:28:00,600
people pay attention in government to

650
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:01,380
this

651
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:05,100
and what I'm hoping is that what we have

652
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,850
ears

653
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:12,720
and Minds

654
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:17,220
of the current office holders that they

655
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,860
know that we who are they know we're

656
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,080
credible they can look us up they know

657
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,360
our career history they know they can

658
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:26,520
look at my career file they can look at

659
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,500
my security file and they would also

660
00:28:32,409 --> 00:28:30,480
know that what I was cleared for it's

661
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:32,419
all in a database that they can access

662
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,940
and we have so many coming forward that

663
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,440
it's hard to deny that there's something

664
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:40,440
going on and I believe that that in fact

665
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:43,860
put into the legislation of the Senate

666
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:46,020
select committee on intelligence

667
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:49,559
for FY 23 they have something called the

668
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,640
not the ndaa the intelligence committees

669
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,039
on the House and Senate side they have

670
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,140
legislation called the intelligence

671
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:00,960
authorization act and in that act they

672
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,720
actually said non-human

673
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:06,240
so they know that what we've been saying

674
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:11,640
has some force and support behind are

675
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,000
just mere words and so I believe that

676
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:17,340
that's where I get my inspiration that

677
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:20,820
they know that it's non-human they know

678
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:24,600
it's not human and so they want a a

679
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,240
public narrative from the current

680
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:29,520
officials in the US government about

681
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:34,020
this non-human part of the UAP

682
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,140
of this phenomenon and that's crucial

683
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,260
because things flying up in the air who

684
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,480
cares if it's flying up in the air maybe

685
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,299
they're just visiting that's fine you

686
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,120
know maybe it's a a big rock that's

687
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:49,860
flying through and they're just visiting

688
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:52,500
they turn around

689
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,120
um and I can't pronounce it but I think

690
00:29:58,570 --> 00:29:56,460
it's a

691
00:30:01,450 --> 00:29:58,580
Abbey lobes

692
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,460
thank you very much maybe it's just

693
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,600
that's flying around you know that's

694
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:06,120
fine you know but big deal you know they

695
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:07,860
didn't stop and say hello

696
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,779
uh but does the government know that

697
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,580
they did stop and say hello

698
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,820
and to what extent do we know about them

699
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:16,919
and why do we know that they said hello

700
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,080
did they actually visit us is there any

701
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,960
kind of formal or informal relationship

702
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:24,240
with who's here

703
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,860
you know there's some of these like

704
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:27,779
conspiracy theories about

705
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,640
you know at Holloman Air Force Base

706
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,700
during the uh Eisenhower Administration

707
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,240
a craft landed and we made contact with

708
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:38,580
uh the occupants of The Craft so forth

709
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:39,960
and so on you know there's a lot of

710
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,299
conspiracy theories one of the things I

711
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:46,080
I hope for this disclosure is to one

712
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:49,740
thing is it may confirm what we think of

713
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:51,899
conspiracy theories as true

714
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,919
and then it may then dispel some of the

715
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,320
conspiracy theories as false now

716
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,240
there'll be a falling a falling out of

717
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,880
some and actually a support of others

718
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,460
that it will like it's a cleansing

719
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:08,279
effort by the US government to come

720
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,700
clean about what do we do now and uh

721
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:14,580
what NASA knows important point is what

722
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,440
NASA knows what the department of energy

723
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:17,940
knows that

724
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:21,659
now we'll sort everything out and who

725
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,360
knows you know I mean I listened to a uh

726
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,760
interview with Mick West on fate to

727
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:28,799
Black with Jimmy church and you know I

728
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:31,220
he's absolutely right I mean you know

729
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,260
based on his observations

730
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,480
of what the government has publicly

731
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:37,919
stated

732
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,360
that would even support the notion of

733
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:44,640
anything being non-human right right

734
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,820
they try to cast it as

735
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:49,980
um it's explainable we just don't have

736
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,440
the explanation yet

737
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,140
and I believe that's what Errol is doing

738
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,960
right now but when disclosure

739
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,000
imminent disclosure happens and in

740
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,399
post-disclosure world

741
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
um you know some of what Nick West says

742
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,240
might be true but a lot of things that

743
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,059
we see might be something explainable

744
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:11,940
I'll give you an example A lot of people

745
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,720
see like a triplet of Lights flying very

746
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:18,000
fast in the sky and say ah there's a

747
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,500
tr3b

748
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,659
I saw it three lights in a triangle

749
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:24,539
formation flying fast across the sky see

750
00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:27,480
tr3p exists but they may not know that

751
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:28,760
the Chinese

752
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,340
orbits in low earth orbit a satellite

753
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,799
constitute constellation used for

754
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,720
reconnaissance that's a triplet

755
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,000
formation just like that

756
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,700
and in low earth orbit something that

757
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,440
fast would just scream across I mean it

758
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:46,200
goes by really quick

759
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:48,059
um and also I would say in the U.S

760
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,899
government we had satellites that flew

761
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:53,880
in pairs together

762
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:56,760
and also flew us triplets together and

763
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:58,200
the triplet

764
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,460
um they actually they were called

765
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:02,399
Spinners and they would spin on its axis

766
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,640
and it was like cylindrical and spawned

767
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,980
on its axis and so when you're on the

768
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:09,480
ground looking up

769
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,059
and because the satellites dumped the

770
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,820
data over the continental United States

771
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,380
right

772
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,120
um you look up and you say oh my gosh

773
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,980
there's three of those and look it's

774
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,960
flashing it's flashing I'm getting a

775
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:22,860
message

776
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,760
that this is extraterrestrial

777
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:28,919
um it may not be it may actually be a

778
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:31,860
satellite you know yeah so I mean I

779
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:34,019
belabor the point but

780
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:37,140
um you know not everything you see

781
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,720
it's going to be a UAP but there are

782
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:42,000
things that they're very difficult to

783
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:45,059
explain that are UAP that people have

784
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:46,620
witnessed

785
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,019
what people are saying I personally

786
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,019
believe that you know what the our U.S

787
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:54,179
naval aviators saw

788
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:57,419
were actual uaps because I know we have

789
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:00,059
nothing can do the aerodynamic

790
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,240
performance of what they saw does not

791
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,340
exist in the inventory of the United

792
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,860
States government or the inventories of

793
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,419
other governments

794
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:11,220
because they're wondering what they're

795
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,940
seeing

796
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:13,740
you know this time you know we were

797
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:15,419
pointing at each other saying Ah that's

798
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,300
American Technology secret we discovered

799
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,520
it and we're going Ah that's Russian

800
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:22,800
technology and we discovered it and then

801
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:24,300
we find out that we're both thinking

802
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:25,859
it's each other's technology and it's

803
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:29,220
not it's not even Chinese to that point

804
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:31,020
yeah interesting there's a lot to break

805
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:32,580
down from what you've said I'm sure I'll

806
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,679
have to go back over this and and dig

807
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,839
back into it but before I go go on with

808
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,040
any more of my questions I'm just going

809
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,839
to go to some of the questions from the

810
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,280
live chat

811
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,320
um red panda koala thank you so much for

812
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,119
the five dollars uh he says John what

813
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:47,040
role should the UFO Community play in

814
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,500
the coming months re disclosure

815
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,260
uh I would say this

816
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:54,540
um it's going to be the post-disclosure

817
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,080
world that would be most important to we

818
00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:00,000
the civilians and I count myself as we

819
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,980
the civilians because I no longer

820
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,560
employee by CIA and I have no clearances

821
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:07,680
from CIA or any part of the U.S

822
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:08,820
government

823
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,880
and so I count myself as you know

824
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:14,280
amongst those who are UFO or UAP

825
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:17,339
enthusiasts I just happen to have uh

826
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:19,740
have had a top secret SCI clearance

827
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,980
where what I say is based on some

828
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:24,960
factual information that I have to

829
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:29,760
tailor to not violate my lifelong ndas

830
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:32,579
there are lifelong ndas I I agreed that

831
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,740
I would never talk about but given that

832
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,020
you know I can talk about a lot and in

833
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:39,000
post-disclosure

834
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:40,859
um I would say that

835
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:43,740
we if you're an American citizen

836
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:46,619
or even a British citizen that after

837
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,520
post-disclosure we need to press our

838
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:53,280
governments the representatives of the

839
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,180
people

840
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:56,640
to go forward

841
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:59,640
and get more information out into the

842
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:01,500
public domain

843
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:05,760
because once we say it's non-human we

844
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:08,960
just removed a whole bunch of ndas

845
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:13,079
protecting this entire program not just

846
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,520
the uaps or UFOs metamaterials craft or

847
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,640
parts of craft but also you know there's

848
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,859
ndas protecting

849
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:24,839
um any kind of

850
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:28,320
derivative craft that we may have built

851
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:31,260
based on the original technology so okay

852
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:34,440
we won't talk about that we'll keep our

853
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:36,420
Air Forces happy that we won't talk

854
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:38,220
about what's flying that they've

855
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,140
developed but let's talk about what

856
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,960
crashed landed or was gifted to us

857
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:44,520
you know let's talk about that and you

858
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,820
may need to press our legislatures to

859
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:49,560
provide more information and put

860
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:52,980
pressure back onto

861
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:55,020
our respective

862
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:58,500
defense organizations to provide more

863
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,859
information particularly about who's

864
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:03,720
flying The Craft

865
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,420
if it's non-human the next question I'm

866
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,920
going to ask if how do you know it's not

867
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:10,079
human

868
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,359
who's flying the crap tell us more about

869
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:14,400
who's flying the craft and more

870
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:16,260
importantly for me why are they here

871
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,619
yeah intent why are they here what is

872
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:22,800
our role as humans in relationship to

873
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,900
the people who are here

874
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:27,119
and so that's what the civilian

875
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:29,940
Community can do in post-disclosure we

876
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:32,339
won't have to worry about guessing

877
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,400
whether it's real or something else we

878
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:36,960
know it's real

879
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,720
this real phenomenon the UAP phenomena

880
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:42,420
is real if it's non-human

881
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,960
who are who might be at the controls and

882
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,520
what do you know about them and why are

883
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:49,200
they here that will happen in

884
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,700
post-disclosure and that's something

885
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,980
citizens can do

886
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,720
yeah absolutely great answer I

887
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:56,339
appreciate it this next one is actually

888
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,660
two questions from two different people

889
00:38:01,609 --> 00:37:59,339
but I'm going to link him to kind of

890
00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:01,619
formulate one the first is from Glenn

891
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,300
Harris and he says John in your opinion

892
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:04,980
how much of a factor is religion in

893
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,320
being a barrier to disclosure which I'm

894
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,359
going to follow up with what do you

895
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:10,859
foresee the state of religion being

896
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:13,560
after disclosure well I think it's

897
00:38:19,849 --> 00:38:17,119
important that uh the people who are

898
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:19,859
working on disclosure behind the scenes

899
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,940
right now

900
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:23,760
do reach out to the various belief

901
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,380
systems on the planet

902
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,599
because there is a potential of

903
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:30,599
overturning these belief systems not

904
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:36,480
only that beyond that people who are

905
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,859
um in the business world in the

906
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,079
corporate world of overturning the

907
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,940
international markets

908
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,619
that we now have

909
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:47,040
it could have ramifications above and

910
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,300
beyond

911
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:50,400
uh what we foresee there may be

912
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:52,380
unintended consequences so we need to

913
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:54,359
bring the business corporate community

914
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:58,079
in on this we need to bring the

915
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:01,140
religious community in on this and I

916
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,280
would also say we need to bring

917
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,680
philosophers in on this

918
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:06,839
and medical people and on this because

919
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,240
people have been harmed by some exposure

920
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,000
to uaps I mean that's that's a given

921
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:14,640
that's not a conspiracy theory people

922
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,920
have actually been harmed by this that

923
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:18,599
was documented by

924
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:20,940
um the second walkers at the Pentagon

925
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,420
book by Dr lakasky Dr Kelleher and

926
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:26,940
George Knapp that there were people who

927
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,440
were associated with the investigation

928
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:31,079
of Skinwalker who had this hitchhiker

929
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,200
effect and was also affected physically

930
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,200
by that hitchhiker effect so we need to

931
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,320
bring medical people in on this as well

932
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,660
um and so did I answer both questions

933
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,599
yeah I mean I suppose you know religion

934
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:47,700
Will Survive Beyond disclosure I think

935
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:49,079
it's been quite clear in recent years

936
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,060
with the Vatican having conversations

937
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,060
about you know welcoming uh non-human

938
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,920
intelligence so yeah I think that pretty

939
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,720
much covers it uh I've got one more

940
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:59,760
before we jump back to mine this is from

941
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:01,800
Diego Thank you for the donation Diego

942
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,680
please ask Mr Ramirez if he or anyone he

943
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:06,060
knows have any official related

944
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,740
documents they would like to contribute

945
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,380
to the uh National UFO historical

946
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:13,440
records Center in New Mexico thank you

947
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:16,260
in fact I would say this that uh I know

948
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,780
David Marler I uh communicate with David

949
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:21,119
Marler what he's doing is absolutely

950
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:24,780
valuable agreed he is archiving The

951
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:27,480
Historical records because when we go

952
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:31,020
back after after we say for example

953
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,180
let's say uh the disclosure statement

954
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:35,220
initially is non-human

955
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,660
and then

956
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,880
when the questions arise from that

957
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:41,400
statement we need to tap into those

958
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:44,099
resources that are in the civilian

959
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:45,180
domain

960
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,640
and get collate and gather those

961
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,800
resources in fact the government should

962
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:51,839
support his effort

963
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,020
to do so because he has resources

964
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,119
probably above and beyond what the

965
00:41:02,930 --> 00:40:59,160
government has what the government has

966
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,940
is information from the government they

967
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,040
ignore the civilians which they

968
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:06,720
shouldn't but they do

969
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:10,400
the only time they look at

970
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,119
civilians is when we the formers

971
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,460
uh when we're out of the office have

972
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,040
these encounters like I have uh Mr

973
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,500
sunnyvan wrote about his encounters with

974
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:25,920
beings in his bedroom yeah so that

975
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,619
shouldn't be ignored and there he he's

976
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,960
in his bedroom as Mr simivant not Mr

977
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,359
swimming van CIA officer I was in my

978
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:36,180
bedroom as me and not as a CA officer so

979
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:37,560
I have information he has information

980
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:40,980
others in the intelligence community and

981
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,180
in the military intelligence Community

982
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:44,339
they have information like that of these

983
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,339
kind of encounters but doc uh Mr Mahler

984
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,400
has a tremendous amount of documented

985
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:52,920
evidence and we need to then collate

986
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,560
that is compare and collate the

987
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,599
information the government has oh yes we

988
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,240
had a sensor that actually saw that go

989
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:03,359
back the date time of that encounter

990
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:05,640
with that sensor owned by the government

991
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,940
go back and see what civilians might

992
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,400
have witnessed in the same place at the

993
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,859
same time same day

994
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,140
that's the value of it so

995
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,900
um I would say that you know that

996
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:19,920
archive

997
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,220
in in Houston Texas here in the states

998
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,260
um we also and we also have the the

999
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,720
government archives under the National

1000
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,119
Archives so we have a lot of archive

1001
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:35,579
data that I think will provide a

1002
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,079
valuable resource in helping us

1003
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,079
understand this phenomenon in totality

1004
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:43,859
not just from the perspective of an fa

1005
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,400
18 Naval aviator who flew up against a

1006
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,680
Tic Tac but also the people have seen

1007
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,420
Tic Tacs you know in their own personal

1008
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,180
lives let's go back and say did you

1009
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:56,579
actually you know U.S government did you

1010
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,220
actually have sensor data on these

1011
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,099
sightings what do you know about them

1012
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,380
um so that's the value of having

1013
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:07,079
um that particular resource that Mr

1014
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:09,660
Marlin has painstakingly took along

1015
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:10,680
himself

1016
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,619
with very little funding I might add to

1017
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,300
preserve and that's a that's going to be

1018
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,520
a very valuable resource yeah absolutely

1019
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,020
I'm actually going to be an Albuquerque

1020
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:20,640
myself at the end of June I'm really

1021
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,619
hoping that I'm able to pay a David

1022
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,140
Muller a visit we shall see

1023
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:26,640
um well let's jump back to some of my

1024
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:28,200
questions and something that's been you

1025
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,640
know talks about a lot in the last few

1026
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,859
months is this uh these incursions over

1027
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,440
U.S airspace the Chinese spy balloon

1028
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,660
initially followed by these three other

1029
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,760
objects and it seems to be that even

1030
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:40,560
members of Congress are still not being

1031
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,940
briefed on what these other three

1032
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:44,640
objects were so why do you think that is

1033
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:46,980
and in your opinion what do you think

1034
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:48,119
they may be

1035
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,480
well that's very puzzling because

1036
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,520
um I don't know what they are I just

1037
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,040
know they're of such interest that they

1038
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,500
actually expended taxpayers money to fly

1039
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:02,400
an F 16 or F pick a number from the U.S

1040
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,060
Air Force inventory and spent money uh

1041
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:08,760
it's like 450

1042
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,140
000 per PSI Winder missile to shoot down

1043
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,359
something that probably if it was a

1044
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:17,040
hobbyist balloon cost like you know

1045
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,260
nothing

1046
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,640
why did we do that well I think some of

1047
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,619
us Optics

1048
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,960
um that we knew that the Chinese were

1049
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:27,359
using surveillance balloons over our

1050
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,420
territory if it's above 50 miles it's

1051
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,180
open space it's not sovereign us

1052
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,579
airspace at all it belongs to All

1053
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,800
Nations so they can fly something 50

1054
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,420
miles and above I don't know if that

1055
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,940
balloon was capable of that but the

1056
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,819
point being is that this balloon came

1057
00:44:48,609 --> 00:44:46,859
down came in lower

1058
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:48,619
in the atmosphere

1059
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:51,300
and then it becomes part of U.S

1060
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,160
Sovereign airspace and they need to

1061
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:54,960
respond to it

1062
00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:57,720
um I believe they detected these

1063
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,060
objects before because we have Radars

1064
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,700
that can detect objects out in space and

1065
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,240
count satellites so it's not a mystery

1066
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:08,160
to the Pentagon that here come the

1067
00:45:12,970 --> 00:45:09,660
Chinese again

1068
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:12,980
uh let's track it but this one came down

1069
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,460
and was noted to have come down and so

1070
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,200
they needed to respond to it I don't

1071
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,140
know why they waited until it got to

1072
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:24,180
um the east coast and over the Atlantic

1073
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:26,579
to do something they could have easily

1074
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,500
taken care of it

1075
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:31,800
um over the U.S land mass

1076
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:34,920
and you know out here if you look at a

1077
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,140
map I'm in Arizona and you'll be in

1078
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,660
Albuquerque New Mexico and one thing we

1079
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:41,880
have a lot of in our two states is

1080
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,300
Desert empty desert there's no one there

1081
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,640
except the coyotes and you know the

1082
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,680
other creatures who live out in the

1083
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,119
desert so

1084
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:52,560
um I don't know why they didn't shoot it

1085
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,640
down earlier what they might be

1086
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,319
I've listened very carefully to the

1087
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:00,599
Pentagon spokesperson this Brigadier

1088
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:03,300
General who represents the public

1089
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:05,099
affairs Office of the Pentagon and then

1090
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,020
I listened very carefully to President

1091
00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:09,480
Biden's

1092
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:13,160
speech about it yeah now the Pentagon

1093
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:16,440
spokesperson said that

1094
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,660
it's unclassified

1095
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:20,640
but

1096
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:23,700
he no one question when can we see it

1097
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,280
you know show it to us if it's

1098
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:29,760
unclassified why won't you show us

1099
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,700
uh I'm speaking particularly about the

1100
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,839
Alaska

1101
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,359
object right yeah the elastic object

1102
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,400
that's the one that is of high

1103
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,920
strangeness because it was described as

1104
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,920
octagonal in shape I believe if I'm not

1105
00:46:49,329 --> 00:46:45,720
mistaken so it's not like a round

1106
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:49,339
balloon of some other shape so

1107
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,380
unclassified but we can't see it why is

1108
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,760
that

1109
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,760
okay and so he said well we don't know

1110
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,440
what they are that's what the Pentagon

1111
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:00,420
statements we don't know what they are

1112
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,760
but this it was unclassified and no

1113
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,040
we're not going to show it to you and

1114
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,260
then so there's the Pentagon and then

1115
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:09,540
President Biden goes and gives three

1116
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:11,819
explanations that the Pentagon never

1117
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,780
mentioned

1118
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,579
and those are like it could be a

1119
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,160
hobbyist balloon you know

1120
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,460
um it could be a research balloon

1121
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:23,400
um and so he gave explanations uh of

1122
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,740
what it could be

1123
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,200
that the Pentagon never mentioned and if

1124
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:30,839
it was a research balloon if it was a

1125
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:34,920
hobbyist balloon or a commercial balloon

1126
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:38,339
something uh for a commercial purpose

1127
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,060
um

1128
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,880
that's unclassified yeah why can't we

1129
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,880
see it exactly so you know it seems like

1130
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,460
there was a disconnect between how

1131
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:49,859
President Biden was briefed about this

1132
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,740
incident versus what the Pentagon knows

1133
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,960
about the incident versus what the

1134
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,819
executive branch of government told the

1135
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:58,740
legislative match branch of government

1136
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,560
about these incidents so it's like three

1137
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:03,780
narratives and they're kind of

1138
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:06,060
incongruent you know like yeah the only

1139
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:08,099
thing that they concur is that there was

1140
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,480
something flying up in the air of

1141
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:12,000
interest and we had to shoot it down for

1142
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,099
whatever reason and part of it is

1143
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,099
because there's such a uproar about the

1144
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:19,140
Chinese balloon that I believe the

1145
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,000
executive branch of government said you

1146
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,400
know we need to like respond go find me

1147
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:25,980
some balloons to shoot down

1148
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,260
objects of convenience and opportunity

1149
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:30,780
go find me some balloons and let's shoot

1150
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:33,300
them down that way we can say by golly

1151
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,400
you know we're looking at the U.S

1152
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,560
airspace and we are protecting you

1153
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,780
we are the U.S Air Force and nothing

1154
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:42,240
like that will happen you can be

1155
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,619
safe that you can be assured that we

1156
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,240
won't let anything like that fly over

1157
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:49,920
the United States we have here back

1158
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,680
United States citizen you know so maybe

1159
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:54,839
that's why they did it but the one over

1160
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,900
Alaska is really strange

1161
00:49:03,530 --> 00:48:59,819
that's really strange because it was

1162
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,540
described as octagonal and

1163
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:06,060
there's no other information about it

1164
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,180
now on another podcast I did with Chris

1165
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:12,599
Leto who flew f-16s right no I described

1166
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,700
that hey you know

1167
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,319
we know how to detect everything up

1168
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:19,079
there yeah we know what what's flying up

1169
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,040
there and the filter quote unquote

1170
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,740
filter that the Pentagon set that the

1171
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:27,839
White House said

1172
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,319
um that filter is really you know

1173
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:33,240
getting

1174
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,359
our interest in the object where we were

1175
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,400
ignoring it before we're not paying

1176
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,260
attention to it that we've always seen

1177
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,760
these objects so now we have to pay

1178
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:43,740
attention to it that's the filter they

1179
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,800
just turned on the interest you know

1180
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:48,960
before you didn't check this and it says

1181
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,540
you know report on balloons now you

1182
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,940
would check that report on balloons and

1183
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,460
so I think that's what happened

1184
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,740
yeah I've got a question here just

1185
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,420
regarding this from Robbie again thank

1186
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:01,920
you Robbie for the donation he says do

1187
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:03,180
you think the recent shoot Downs were

1188
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,920
because the military was testing and

1189
00:50:10,569 --> 00:50:06,720
flying its secret aircraft that relate

1190
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:10,579
to what has not been disclosed no

1191
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:12,200
now

1192
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:14,040
absolutely not

1193
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:16,020
um I know

1194
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,560
um

1195
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:18,900
that's a very popular

1196
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,420
conception but I would tell you what it

1197
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:24,180
was secret aircraft

1198
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:25,500
ours

1199
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:26,940
uh

1200
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,700
we wouldn't destroy it right it was

1201
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,960
still fly you wouldn't know that there

1202
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,520
was a secret aircraft

1203
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,319
there would be no mention of a secret

1204
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:36,180
aircraft that we had to shoot down

1205
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:37,560
because we're not going to shoot down

1206
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:39,480
one of our secret aircraft

1207
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:41,640
we won't do that

1208
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:44,760
it's just so much money goes into these

1209
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:47,160
programs are we gonna like destroy it

1210
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:48,240
with um

1211
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,859
you know it sounds like a lot of money

1212
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:52,680
to most people about 450 000 to the

1213
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,220
Pentagon is a rounding off era at the

1214
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:58,440
end of the year you know we used to joke

1215
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,059
that you know millions of dollars for

1216
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:02,520
the nro is a rounding off era because of

1217
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:04,740
the billions that they spend the

1218
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,740
billions that CIA spends every year on

1219
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,559
intelligence and so I don't think we

1220
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,480
will shoot anything down that belongs to

1221
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,180
us that is secret and

1222
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:17,640
um if it was an adversarial secret craft

1223
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,579
there are ways to get it down without

1224
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,760
destroying it sure I think this is the

1225
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,040
thing that we saw from it you know I was

1226
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:27,900
reporting a reporting on it and posting

1227
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:30,059
about it a lot of the time and it

1228
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:32,220
spawned so many conspiracy theories

1229
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,440
about what these objects were you know

1230
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:36,660
some very extreme ones and so I think

1231
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:39,000
this uh secrecy this ongoing secrecy

1232
00:51:43,069 --> 00:51:40,680
about what they were and the fact that

1233
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,079
Congress wasn't even briefed on it it's

1234
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,359
just it multiplies those conspiracy

1235
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:47,460
theories and yeah we are still trying to

1236
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,619
to discuss and work out what it is so

1237
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:51,480
it's understandable that people have so

1238
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,980
many questions sure and I would say

1239
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,000
congress

1240
00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:57,000
um is saying they weren't briefed on it

1241
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,220
I'll leave it at that I think that's a

1242
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:01,200
fair statement to say um the Congress

1243
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,460
was

1244
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:05,280
that members of Congress uh were not

1245
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,520
disclosed what they were briefed on

1246
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:10,079
I mean there have been some public

1247
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:11,819
statements from members of Congress

1248
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,099
coming out of briefing still frustrated

1249
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,359
that they haven't been told so that

1250
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:16,980
that's kind of what I'm going in there

1251
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,220
oh yeah uh yeah yeah but they're the

1252
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:23,040
gang of eight will be thoroughly briefed

1253
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:25,800
on everything okay I need to go into the

1254
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,220
gang of eight they're the uh the the

1255
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:32,160
heads and and the the chair and vice

1256
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:33,420
chair

1257
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,119
of the Senate in-house intelligence

1258
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,400
committee yeah

1259
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:41,760
chair and vice chair of the

1260
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,540
um

1261
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,160
Senate and House armed services

1262
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:45,839
committee

1263
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:47,460
um the

1264
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:49,079
Speaker of the House

1265
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:51,059
and the

1266
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,160
lead member of the opposition party

1267
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,319
which will be in our house and would be

1268
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,599
the Democrats yeah so I mean there's a

1269
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,760
gang of eight who they're briefed on

1270
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:01,980
everything don't let anyone tell you

1271
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,420
that they don't know what's going on

1272
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:05,599
they do

1273
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:08,579
interesting interesting well I just

1274
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:10,020
wanted to switch it around now and talk

1275
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:12,059
about orbs because in the past few years

1276
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:13,619
orbs have been at the Forefront of the

1277
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,260
conversation we saw in Dr Kirkpatrick's

1278
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:18,960
presentation to the the committee that

1279
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,079
50 plus percent of the cases that he's

1280
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,079
been working on uh orb so do you have

1281
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,119
any kind of theory as to why orbs are

1282
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:28,980
suddenly so prevalent in the UFO subject

1283
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,859
and and you know why why is that kind of

1284
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:33,780
taken over from sources Tic Tacs and

1285
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,980
triangles

1286
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,920
well it's it's seen a lot by civilians

1287
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,079
for one thing a lot of experiences of

1288
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,440
orbs I've experienced orbs myself yeah

1289
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,559
um also it's been seen in um the imagery

1290
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,960
collected by the national reconnaissance

1291
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:50,160
office here

1292
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,400
as well through their sensors when they

1293
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:55,740
deployed infrared sensors

1294
00:54:02,210 --> 00:53:58,859
they were able to see them and they

1295
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,220
behaved in ways that seemed to

1296
00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:04,920
not

1297
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,480
be explainable unexplained behaviors of

1298
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,240
extraordinary Errol Dynamic

1299
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,920
characteristics and you know the

1300
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:16,319
exhibiting uh Lou elizondo's five

1301
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:19,859
observables for example and from Mike's

1302
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,380
personal experience uh working within

1303
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:24,900
the government I do know that uh when

1304
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:27,500
orbs were being detected

1305
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:30,540
there was a high amount of interest in

1306
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,480
these orbs so people say well yeah we

1307
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:35,220
knew about orders from way back you know

1308
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,980
civilians have detected you know all

1309
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,319
throughout the UFO history well that's

1310
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:42,839
true uh but we're talking about the

1311
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,300
government being interested because the

1312
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,000
government sensor detected it it wasn't

1313
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,599
a a report or a narrative or Story by

1314
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:54,359
someone in the civilian world it was now

1315
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:58,559
oh my gosh look what we found and that a

1316
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,020
lot of resources were expanded towards

1317
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,079
studying what these are and that

1318
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:06,180
finished and right after that finished

1319
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:08,099
all saps started

1320
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,760
right so what I described uh was in

1321
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:14,460
under title 50 the civilian side of

1322
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:16,980
intelligence community and all sap was

1323
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:19,319
part of the title 10

1324
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:21,140
defense department side of the community

1325
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,359
continuing on to atep yeah

1326
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:25,800
that's interesting so what can you tell

1327
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,380
me about the orb working group ah very

1328
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:31,079
little uh because I refuse to be briefed

1329
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,720
on its inner workings

1330
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:35,400
um I did not want to be briefed on that

1331
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:37,800
I was offered to be brought on that

1332
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:40,740
working group I sent two of my Engineers

1333
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:43,319
uh to that working group

1334
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:44,819
um they came back and asked me for a

1335
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,579
safe which I ordered from the

1336
00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:49,140
um

1337
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:51,300
the general Services Administration

1338
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:53,400
which provides safes for the US

1339
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:54,260
government

1340
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,660
and so they were getting a courier to

1341
00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,579
them a lot of compartment and

1342
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:03,119
information regarding uh UFOs and orbs

1343
00:56:06,849 --> 00:56:04,380
and they were throwing them in the safe

1344
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,859
and I had no access to that information

1345
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,680
except for when one of my Engineers

1346
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,000
haphazardly left one of the documents

1347
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:12,960
out

1348
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,420
so I looked at the document and go oh

1349
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,300
that's interesting and then he came back

1350
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:20,160
and sorry boss and then he grabbed it

1351
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,160
turn it over and threw it in a safe

1352
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,260
and so

1353
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:28,559
um I can't say what the title was it was

1354
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:30,359
classified but I do know what they

1355
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:33,960
looked at wow that gave me the hint of a

1356
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,420
lot of things that I can't say but

1357
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:38,640
you'll be hearing about real soon now I

1358
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,140
think you know more toward the end of

1359
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,140
the year other people with access it

1360
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,540
might be able to come forward

1361
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:47,700
about what they know about not only

1362
00:56:52,690 --> 00:56:50,099
Earth's but the entire UFO program

1363
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:52,700
within the government itself

1364
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:56,040
I hope that that will occur excellent

1365
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,440
thank you for that now I I it'd be

1366
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:00,900
remiss of me not to bring up the 2027

1367
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,660
event that you have mentioned on on

1368
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:06,000
other shows so I just wondered if you

1369
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:07,319
could just give us without going into

1370
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:08,579
too much detail because I don't want you

1371
00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:10,260
to have to keep repeating yourself and

1372
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:11,700
right you know people can see it under

1373
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:13,500
the show absolutely absolutely well we

1374
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,000
know we know that um the uh 20 2026 2027

1375
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:20,280
years have come up

1376
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,420
and the testimony and experiences and

1377
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:27,180
narratives of civilians uh for example

1378
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,819
Chris Bledsoe okay I just mentioned that

1379
00:57:34,609 --> 00:57:32,400
you mentioned Anjali before Anjali has

1380
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:34,619
has mentioned that and others have as

1381
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:36,839
well have mentioned about some interest

1382
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,020
in these areas I was asked

1383
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,380
about what you did I know about that

1384
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:45,599
because

1385
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:46,319
um

1386
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:48,180
it was something that came on up on

1387
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:49,940
their radar

1388
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:54,119
I can't say who oh okay okay I can't say

1389
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:55,619
who

1390
00:58:03,130 --> 00:57:59,460
um and but it was in a uh skiff now I

1391
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:03,140
read in social media uh that here I am

1392
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,400
illegally saying something that occurred

1393
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:07,200
in a skiff

1394
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,520
so I have no clearances folks zero

1395
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,440
and I was in a skiff

1396
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,020
and they are not sharing classified

1397
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,480
information with me they asked me for an

1398
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:19,619
opinion

1399
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,079
that's been coming up in a lot of

1400
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:27,480
discussion in the civilian UFO Community

1401
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:30,300
you know that something will occur

1402
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,420
but the fact that they knew about it led

1403
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:35,700
me to believe that they were paying

1404
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:38,220
attention to that to that year

1405
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:40,020
because they asked me what I knew about

1406
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:43,020
it and I said what I know is what you

1407
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,059
know you know we have and I mentioned

1408
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,180
Chris Bledsoe by name an experiencer in

1409
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:49,920
North Carolina Chris Bledsoe you know

1410
00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:52,200
that a lot of you know Former

1411
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,819
Intelligence Community officers if not

1412
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,319
current the intelligence Community

1413
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:57,599
officers with clearances visited him why

1414
00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:58,920
did that happen

1415
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:01,980
you know look at that why did Chris

1416
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,680
Bledsoe all of a sudden out of all the

1417
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,260
folks out there

1418
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,960
gained the attention of extremely senior

1419
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,280
people in the intelligence Community

1420
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:12,960
look into that

1421
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:16,260
but in my opinion I would say because of

1422
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:18,359
the pace of what we're seeing in our

1423
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:20,819
skies occurring that they have an

1424
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:23,940
opportunity to come down and visit us

1425
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:26,940
perhaps by 2027 maybe that will occur

1426
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,359
okay and my cue was what Lou Elizondo

1427
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:32,400
said in 2022

1428
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:35,160
that wait five years and it'll all come

1429
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:36,839
out everything will come out in five

1430
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,000
years and in the meantime

1431
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,280
go find a hobby and forget about this

1432
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,680
and you can come back in 2027 right five

1433
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,559
years from 2022 is 2027. and I mentioned

1434
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:48,900
that as well and so that's the context

1435
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:52,079
of 2027. I have no clearances it is not

1436
00:59:56,569 --> 00:59:54,900
illegal for me to say something that may

1437
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,579
have occurred in a skiff

1438
01:00:01,130 --> 00:59:58,980
but I have no clearances so we didn't

1439
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,140
discuss anything that was like classify

1440
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:02,640
though where I need a clearance for I

1441
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:04,440
didn't get read into anything

1442
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:06,540
and I refuse to have any clearances

1443
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:09,000
because that is a headache to have these

1444
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:10,740
clearances I don't want that intrusion

1445
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,920
into my life in order to obtain a

1446
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,079
clearance and to maintain it I do not

1447
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,480
want to go through polygraphs I do not

1448
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:20,220
want to have my background investigated

1449
01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:23,640
investigation occur all the time so I'm

1450
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:26,460
done with that life I left it behind on

1451
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,000
September 30 2009 so what I discussed

1452
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,359
was unclassified in that environment

1453
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:35,940
no I appreciate that so much thank you

1454
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:37,619
so much yeah I think you know that's

1455
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:38,760
interesting that you say that maybe

1456
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:40,380
later this year we'll get acknowledgment

1457
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,079
from the government and then maybe it's

1458
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:45,420
the non-human intelligence's chance in

1459
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,940
2027 to you know to get it from their

1460
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:49,200
side of things so yeah that's

1461
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,660
interesting uh John again this is

1462
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:53,160
something that I wanted to bring up with

1463
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,660
you and get your thoughts on and that is

1464
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:57,359
the whole uh history and current work

1465
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,940
ongoing at Skinwalker Ranch and just

1466
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,400
love to know your thoughts on that yeah

1467
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:05,040
I I was um I I was aware as Ken Walker

1468
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,380
Ranch mostly because I listened to Coast

1469
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:10,799
to Coast I am even when Art Bell hosted

1470
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:13,799
it and Skinwalker Ranch has come up as a

1471
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:16,020
topic on Coast to Coast AM and that's

1472
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,119
how I knew about it I did not know about

1473
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:20,700
it in any way shape or form officially

1474
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:23,339
while serving in the government

1475
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:27,960
so my my take on it is that it's a place

1476
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:29,640
of

1477
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,260
don't know

1478
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:36,480
um but it seems that it has an effect on

1479
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:39,660
people and the people see things it was

1480
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:41,400
written in skinwalks at the Pentagon

1481
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,559
that The Observers who were government

1482
01:01:47,569 --> 01:01:46,079
observers felt like there was a presence

1483
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:47,579
there

1484
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:49,559
and so

1485
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:52,260
what is that I don't know I do know in

1486
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:53,640
Arizona

1487
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,380
perhaps in New Mexico as well that there

1488
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:01,200
are places called uh Vortex places

1489
01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:05,280
vortices that people seen of people who

1490
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:08,579
have intuitive gifts are able to sense

1491
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:11,700
some kind of energy coming from it it's

1492
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,740
just that Skinwalker it seemed to have

1493
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:15,480
been negative energy

1494
01:02:19,789 --> 01:02:18,180
coming from Skinwalker so I I have no

1495
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:19,799
explanation for it there's a lot of

1496
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,520
Legend from the Native lore of the

1497
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:26,640
Americas about these kind of places so I

1498
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,460
encourage people to look up what the

1499
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:31,440
natives have written about the

1500
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,700
skinwalker

1501
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:34,559
and that's why it's named Skinwalker

1502
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:37,020
because that that wasn't something that

1503
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:41,480
the owners of Skinwalker Ranch or

1504
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:44,640
anyone made up you know they didn't make

1505
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:46,920
that name up

1506
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,660
um Robert Bigelow didn't make up the

1507
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,460
name skin walker it was something that

1508
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:52,740
was in the lore of the Native American

1509
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,619
peoples of that area that there was

1510
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:57,000
something called a skinwalker and they

1511
01:03:01,210 --> 01:02:58,920
have an entire Legend and myth about it

1512
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:01,220
so read about that and they themselves

1513
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,460
said that it was something of a spirit

1514
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,640
um so that's what I know about it

1515
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:10,799
um I think it warrants further

1516
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,319
investigation and I'm I know that you

1517
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:15,240
know it's happening it's happening

1518
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,980
through an entertainment medium but

1519
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:18,720
that's fine because a lot of people get

1520
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,700
their information through entertainment

1521
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,160
and so that's fine if they want to do an

1522
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:24,960
entertainment kind of show around

1523
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,079
Skinwalker that's fine but

1524
01:03:31,609 --> 01:03:30,240
um I don't give it much thought uh as

1525
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:31,619
well as

1526
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:33,000
other people

1527
01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:33,720
um

1528
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:36,059
uh I just think you know you put it in a

1529
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:37,859
category of high strangeness there's a

1530
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:39,900
lot of high strangeness around the world

1531
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,020
and I put it in that category but it

1532
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,119
doesn't affect me personally I just find

1533
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,520
it intellectually curious that there is

1534
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:49,920
such a thing asking walk a ranch with

1535
01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:52,920
those effects yeah no I mean I'm still

1536
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,140
with the same thing you know I find it

1537
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,839
interesting I think it warrants more uh

1538
01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,819
investigation I'm happy as well that

1539
01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:01,740
it's on an entertainment show it doesn't

1540
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:04,440
necessarily put me off we hear that the

1541
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,180
science is being done so I kind of

1542
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,880
withhold judgment for now on the quality

1543
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,559
of what they're doing but yeah it's

1544
01:04:14,569 --> 01:04:13,200
certainly a fascinating place

1545
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:14,579
um well John I've used up all my

1546
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:15,960
questions I've got a couple more from

1547
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,780
the chat so we'll get into them uh Ken

1548
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,920
Brett I don't know if you were meant to

1549
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:21,599
put a question down but thank you for

1550
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:24,059
the 5.50 anyway

1551
01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:26,040
um a question from Chris Tyne John have

1552
01:04:30,609 --> 01:04:28,020
you had any recent personal experiences

1553
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:30,619
that you're okay with sharing

1554
01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:33,599
the most recent personal experience I've

1555
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,559
had occurred on my birthday July 14 2020

1556
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:40,319
and that's when I saw an orb over our

1557
01:04:44,030 --> 01:04:42,119
mountain range here in Tucson Arizona

1558
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:44,040
it's called the Catalina mountain range

1559
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:46,920
over one Peak known as the Bighorn

1560
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:52,740
mountain and we had a ce6 that is Close

1561
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:56,160
Encounters of the six kind it is

1562
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:58,500
um a amplification of the fifth kind

1563
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:00,599
that Dr Greer

1564
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:04,619
has taught and practices uh with his

1565
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:08,220
audience the sixth kind uses radios to

1566
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:11,400
communicate and in this instance there

1567
01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:13,619
was a researcher by the name of Mark

1568
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:16,140
Sims who's worked with another

1569
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:19,140
researcher named Jimmy Blanchette using

1570
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:22,380
radios as a means of communication and

1571
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,859
in this instance there was a global ce6

1572
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:26,880
event

1573
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,700
it's called harmonic convergence 2020

1574
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,160
and on my birthday

1575
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:35,760
um my wife and I joined Mark Sims um it

1576
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:40,799
was over the Internet so we had our

1577
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:44,280
our phones on and I streamed it over my

1578
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:47,160
little speaker my Bluetooth speaker and

1579
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:48,660
there mark Sims went through his

1580
01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:50,520
modality

1581
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:54,420
um and he took a message that he created

1582
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,540
and used something called photo Sounder

1583
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:00,420
which takes graphics and converts it

1584
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:04,380
into sound and he broadcasts it over his

1585
01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:08,640
radio and we all meditated and

1586
01:06:13,809 --> 01:06:11,220
during the meditation and I was looking

1587
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:13,819
up over the mountains all of a sudden

1588
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:18,359
this bright object appeared it wasn't an

1589
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:20,760
airplane it wasn't a meteor

1590
01:06:26,329 --> 01:06:22,680
it's nothing like that

1591
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:26,339
it was a bright object that was glowing

1592
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,539
White

1593
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,180
and it was an orc it wasn't like a star

1594
01:06:36,049 --> 01:06:32,640
or anything like that it was all of a

1595
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:36,059
sudden a white disc appearing over there

1596
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:38,220
very very bright

1597
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:42,599
bright and that's where I received the

1598
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,819
message that John you have things that

1599
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,640
you know about us and it's time for you

1600
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:50,160
to share what you know

1601
01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:53,520
and also you're you are to helps an

1602
01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:56,039
individual with questions they have

1603
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,380
about us

1604
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,000
and so

1605
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,819
with that message which I got and my

1606
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:04,680
wife didn't I saw it straight ahead of

1607
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,460
me my wife saw it to her right

1608
01:07:14,089 --> 01:07:11,160
and she didn't see this glowing orb she

1609
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,099
saw a light to her right simultaneously

1610
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,039
with my sighting so I knew that this was

1611
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,200
for me not for her it was meant for me

1612
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,660
my wife by the way has seen orbs of

1613
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:24,480
orange that I did not see that when I

1614
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:27,240
showed up they disappeared so that was

1615
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,660
her orbs but my personal orb which I

1616
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:32,400
called my personal orb I got that

1617
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:36,599
message and I so happen to have

1618
01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:40,920
um in my computer files and an old

1619
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:43,500
briefing I gave when I lived in

1620
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:45,420
Charlotte North Carolina

1621
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:48,180
an old briefing that breaks out the

1622
01:07:54,109 --> 01:07:50,460
entire intelligence community and the

1623
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:54,119
audience was with a UFO group a Meetup

1624
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,480
and UFOs for UFOs called Cosmic

1625
01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,819
empowerment and I gave presented that

1626
01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:02,099
briefing way back when

1627
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,119
in 2016 and I dusted it off and I

1628
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:08,940
decided you know I I want to use that

1629
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:12,440
and act onto it more recent information

1630
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,539
and because I'm a CIA officer if I want

1631
01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:18,000
to go public with it this was a private

1632
01:08:22,249 --> 01:08:20,219
meeting of just about how the

1633
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:22,259
intelligence Community was organized and

1634
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:25,080
it's all like open source but now I want

1635
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:28,500
to add to it and so I finished the

1636
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:31,799
briefing sent it to CIA

1637
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:36,239
for their review and they came back

1638
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:39,179
saying we don't endorse what you have in

1639
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,640
your slides but your slides are

1640
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,199
unclassified

1641
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:46,140
and I also sent it to Jim simivan to

1642
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:49,679
Richard Dolan and to Whitley streber and

1643
01:08:55,610 --> 01:08:52,259
to other folks that you know that are

1644
01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:55,620
out there out in the community uh doing

1645
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:57,779
these podcasts so they also knew about

1646
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,440
the content of my slides

1647
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,600
um and so I did present it

1648
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,339
um with uh our friend you know Jay

1649
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:07,440
Anderson of Project Unity yeah and

1650
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:09,239
that's where I presented it

1651
01:09:15,229 --> 01:09:11,940
um I most recently presented it um close

1652
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:15,239
I updated it uh streamlined it and

1653
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:18,779
represented that to an organization in

1654
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:23,279
mufan called main Mainline mufan and I

1655
01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:25,140
believe that link is out there out there

1656
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:27,660
uh on YouTube now and that is a little

1657
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:30,359
bit more of a refinement an update of

1658
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:32,460
that original presentation so that's

1659
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,500
what I know and what I know is what I'm

1660
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,960
doing with you now I am doing what I

1661
01:09:41,209 --> 01:09:38,940
believe was sent here to do

1662
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,219
is to help with

1663
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,679
people understanding who they are why

1664
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,080
they why they're here

1665
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:48,000
um I'll let the what they are and how

1666
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,620
they got here leave that up to the

1667
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,080
physicists working on this there's a lot

1668
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:54,000
of physicists working on this

1669
01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:55,620
um people say you know do we actually

1670
01:10:01,810 --> 01:09:58,500
know how the Tic Tac flies by golly you

1671
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:01,820
know who they should listen to Dr Jack

1672
01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:05,520
sarfati Jack Safari he knows how the Tic

1673
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:09,420
Tac works and there's a video explaining

1674
01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:12,480
to us the non-physicists how they work

1675
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:14,219
and it makes so much sense

1676
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:17,940
and it's probably close to like how they

1677
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,000
really work and it's you know it people

1678
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:23,880
think oh you need like this anti-gravity

1679
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,580
like thing that can exist because it

1680
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,380
breaks all the laws of physics and so

1681
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,360
forth but if you listen to Dr Jack

1682
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:33,360
Safari he will explain to you how Tic

1683
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:34,620
Tac works

1684
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:36,540
and so

1685
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:39,300
um that's my my mission my goal is to

1686
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:41,400
help with this disclosure of who they

1687
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:43,080
are why they're here

1688
01:10:46,669 --> 01:10:45,480
that to me is more important than how

1689
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:46,679
they got here

1690
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:50,640
and any Razzmatazz about their craft and

1691
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,440
how they fly I don't care about that

1692
01:10:57,709 --> 01:10:55,199
they're here and so why

1693
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,719
what what lessons do you have for us and

1694
01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:00,239
I believe it's exactly what people have

1695
01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:01,260
seen

1696
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:03,780
um in the narrative that they're here

1697
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,600
because they're concerned about our

1698
01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:09,360
stewardship of a planet we're doing a

1699
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:11,880
terrible job of being stewards of their

1700
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:14,880
Planet which we share with them and

1701
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,100
they've been here perhaps longer than we

1702
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,440
have and perhaps we are their children

1703
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,140
and they look at us like children like

1704
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:24,960
the parent looking at children and we

1705
01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:27,780
are finding matches playing with matches

1706
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:30,060
and we might set the whole darn place on

1707
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,760
fire that's nuclear warfare they don't

1708
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:34,800
want that to happen and they want us to

1709
01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:37,620
be better stewards of our climate the

1710
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:39,239
way we treat each other I think that's

1711
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,400
very important that we understand if we

1712
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:43,860
see them if they present ourselves we

1713
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,719
understand that hey you know our

1714
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:47,040
differences

1715
01:11:52,189 --> 01:11:50,040
as humans on this planet just because of

1716
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,199
skin color or where you were born and

1717
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:54,120
how much money you have

1718
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:56,520
that will all disappear that will all

1719
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,140
disappear and I want that to disappear

1720
01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:01,020
because then we will become

1721
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,540
enlightened will our Consciousness will

1722
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:06,000
be raised and we will have the potential

1723
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:08,820
of being a space-faring planet to join

1724
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,699
them and the peaceful exploration of

1725
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:14,400
space to join them and that's a Star

1726
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:16,860
Trek kind of vision but I'm a big Star

1727
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:19,860
Trek fan and I hope that that is what's

1728
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,719
going to occur

1729
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:23,640
yeah listen thank you so much for

1730
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,800
sharing your experience and for the

1731
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,360
whole interview in general I've really

1732
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:28,980
enjoyed it and thank you for clarifying

1733
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:31,320
certain points as John stated at the

1734
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:34,020
start you um can look forward to an

1735
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:35,640
upcoming interview where him

1736
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:37,320
and and Julie are going to appear

1737
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:39,420
together and you know again further

1738
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:41,100
clarify some of the conversation and

1739
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,600
confusion that may have been occurring

1740
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,060
across UFO Twitter and other places but

1741
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:47,040
for now everyone in the live chat thank

1742
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:48,900
you so much oh I see Davey there thank

1743
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,239
you for the donation my friend John it's

1744
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:52,980
been an absolute pleasure thank you so

1745
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:55,679
much and uh everybody else I will be

1746
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,739
back this Wednesday where my co-host

1747
01:13:01,790 --> 01:13:00,120
Katie Howland will be joining me and we

1748
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,800
will also be joined by Matt Ford of the

1749
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,960
good trouble show and Christopher sharp